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Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 30 Oct 2018 10:53
by Anteroinen
Well, the SCP foundation certainly HAS a lot of stuff that might interest an explorer. I just doubt the foundation would be too keen to just allow an SCP go around randomly if they can help it. Especially with their Keter level hostile ones. I mean, this one is Euclid, so they can at least theoretically contain it.

Ideas for tests would include:

- Showing this SCP to a whole bunch of D-class and finding out if they can see it. For statistics on how many people can see it. Are there preferential groups? Religious? New Ager? Male, female? Nature of criminal background? Old, young? Nature of Internet usage? What are the patterns? They don't have to be big or very important patterns, but this is certainly something that the foundation would find out because it is literally as easy as showing a video feed of this SCP to a bunch of D-class and asking them who can see it.

- If the previous suggestion is not done, you really need to justify it. Maybe the SCP does not appear trustworthy or indicates that it will use the information maliciously through some vague line in an interview. Even so, this seems unlikely, considering everyone uses computers now, so the SCP literally keeps finding out everything on the internet all the time, so whatever the foundation shows is a bit of a drop in the ocean.

- Are there any ill effects to seeing the SCP. Any longer term harm from viewing it for a long period of time? How about having information written in the Dossier, does that cause harm? What about having the SCP read the information out loud from the Dossier? It doesn't have to, but they still could test it.

- Interviewing the SCP about the contents of its Dossier (if the contents cannot be viewed by regular humans) and trying to determine if the information is truly accurate. Considering it is just a notebook, how much data could there be? Is the notebook, in a manner of speaking, infinite? A space-time anomaly?

- Can false data be implanted to the Dossier through the Internet (considering the SCP apparently knows everything that has been saved electronically it seems possible)? How would the SCP react to this? Would it accept the data is false?

- Can the data transfer be stopped? Electromagnetically? By putting the SCP in a Faraday cage?

These don't have to be successful tests, but these seem like the sorts of tests the Foundation would do. Not all of the tests would be explained as logs, necessarily, but the document would still say something like:

"SCP-5256 can be visually perceived by approximately 0.6% of the general population. There appears to be no consistent trigger for visually perceiving SCP-5256; however, the rate of visual perception within D-class personnel with a history in producing snuff pornography appears to be significantly higher (ca. 3.5%). More testing on D-class personnel with a history in violent sexual media is advised."

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 15 Nov 2018 21:16
by WorldisQuiet5256
Okay, I've just spent 3 hours on it.
Tell me your thoughts.

SCP-5256

I'll also try to work on the other suggestion you made Anteroinen later.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 16 Nov 2018 09:03
by Anteroinen
Initial reaction: a huge improvement. I will say though, right now the wording implies that 34,7% of the general population are religious extremists. Now, I know that a lot of people in America are creationist, which is technically a form of religious extremism, but come on. If that's what you mean by extremist, then fair enough, but when you say "religious extremist" it conjures the image of satanist murder cult or Westboro Baptists Church or ISIS something like that, and 34,7% of the general population are not like that by any stretch of the imagination, so it'd help to clarify.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 16 Nov 2018 16:17
by WorldisQuiet5256
I hear you Anteroinen.
I got the idea from a book series called left behind. It's a modern adaption of the Book of Revelation from the bible.
A quote from the movie, "The Pattern may not be those who disappear, but those who were left behind". This takes place after everyone who was either old, young, or kept their beliefs and didn't sin were swept to heaven leaving only their clothes behind.

If you can help me out with the wording then, the idea is that people who regardless of their religious beliefs, after hearing about SCP-5256, even after being in the same room as SCP-5256, won't see him due to their extreme convictions. And that by seeing SCP-5256 goes against everything they believe that they believe if they were to view him, they would be damn. Or that they would have nothing to live for and simply give up on life.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 27 Nov 2018 20:48
by WorldisQuiet5256
I've recently updated my SCP page, after the constant listed, is a new paragraph.
Also, can anyone please if an idea comes to mind of a better word than 'religious extremist'.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 28 Nov 2018 20:42
by Anteroinen
I'm so sorry, I was going to respond right after reading your previous reply, but then my class started and it slipped my mind. Any way, points:
But regardless, we are still attempting to figure out how to keep him lock up in a single person mind.
You accidentally the sentence here. I assume you mean something like: "Regardless, we are still attempting to figure out a method to contain SCP-5256".

I would not include that phrase, actually, since that clearly tells that the foundation cannot contain the SCP and thus SCP-5256 will know that. Okay, it would be able to tell once contained, probably, but... you know. They could just develop a way of stopping the SCP. Point being: you shouldn't tell the SCP whether or not it can be stopped. SCP-5256 might stay just because it doesn't know if the Foundation can hurt it, if it tries, for example?
There appears to be no consistent trigger for visually perceiving SCP-5256; however, the rate of visual perception within D-class personnel and Foundation staff show no conclusive pattern of the subjects personality or sociability. The only found consistent pattern to SCP-5256 lies in the remaining 34.7% of the general population unable to perceive SCP-5256. Those unable to observe SCP-5256 after learning of the entity existence share one common trait: they can be define as religious extremism, regardless of what type of religion they practice.
Okay, so based on what you said previously, I'd change this to (I fixed some weird grammar and took out some redundancies at the same time, in case you are wondering about the rest):
The rate of visual perception within D-class personnel and Foundation staff shows no conclusive pattern in the subjects' personality or sociability. The only found consistent pattern to SCP-5256 lies in the remaining 34.7% of the general population unable to perceive SCP-5256. When told about SCP-5256, all those who cannot visually perceive it come to believe that seeing SCP-5256 would be harmful for their soul, stop them from receiving salvation from a god, or cause some other similar damage that is religious in nature.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 29 Nov 2018 19:27
by WorldisQuiet5256
Thank you Anteroinen.
I'm currently writing a test log for the 34.7% group. I'll make sure to leave a post after it is done.

Edit: I've found the definition I'm looking for:cognitive dissonance.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 15 Jan 2019 14:21
by WorldisQuiet5256
Update: I've finish my SCP-5256 wiki page.
Tell me your thoughts.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 15 Feb 2019 16:39
by WorldisQuiet5256
Okay, so my draft has gotten a Critique, but I don't understand this part:
SoullessSingularity wrote:
Also, there's a lot of unnecessary detail here. Your article is very long and overly detailed about storage, latin phrasings, tool use, full history, etc. But the structure of the piece is a lot of random events that don't actually seem to come together for a cohesive experience. Information is given to me more or less at random, but none of it seems necessary.

I'd ask as a reader: What exactly are you trying to accomplish here, and are all those aspects helping you accomplish that thing? What is your direction as a writer? I can't see it.
Is that a translation error, or it that what he means?
I made a similar response and haven't gotten a reply.

Re: Secure. Contain. Protect.

Posted: 16 Feb 2019 19:54
by Anteroinen
WorldisQuiet5256 wrote:
SoullessSingularity wrote: Also, there's a lot of unnecessary detail here. Your article is very long and overly detailed about storage, latin phrasings, tool use, full history, etc. But the structure of the piece is a lot of random events that don't actually seem to come together for a cohesive experience. Information is given to me more or less at random, but none of it seems necessary.

I'd ask as a reader: What exactly are you trying to accomplish here, and are all those aspects helping you accomplish that thing? What is your direction as a writer? I can't see it.
Is that a translation error, or it that what he means?
I made a similar response and haven't gotten a reply.
I think they're trying to say that your file doesn't really build up to a reveal or twist or imply a possible mystery at the end, nor is there much of a narrative. The SCP's past exists and it has quirks, but they're not presented in an order that feels in any way like an escalation. It all feels a bit unfocused.

There is a plethora of details that don't really feel necessary (specific clothes, specific details of your death, specific Latin phrases). No particular one seems unnecessary in isolation, but the bulk of it all does feel a bit heavy.

EDIT: Just for future reference, he is referring to this thread: http://www.scp-wiki.net/forum/t-1006351 ... llet-proof