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Going back to 2005, my conclusion would be that there seems to be no real purpose to the game. What's the point of enclosing me inside those rooms and then setting puzzles to let me out so easily, why would anyone do that? It seems to be just random.


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OnyxIonVortex wrote:
Going back to 2005, my conclusion would be that there seems to be no real purpose to the game. What's the point of enclosing me inside those rooms and then setting puzzles to let me out so easily, why would anyone do that? It seems to be just random.

So... The conclusion is...

We just had escape from strange place, wandering through 9 rooms, solving puzzles to get out. And we exit to the freedom.

no plot. no sense.
And diary is for teasing without further explanation and without further story.

But... What does Submachine means?..


do you like it? :)

so, we move to players' and Mateusz's reactions and comments between Sub1 and Sub1Ext!

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September/October 2005

Mateusz didn't expect what furor and respect would game cause...

excerpt from Mateusz Skutnik's Archived News of the year 2005 (October)
Quote:
October 2nd 2005:
Well now this is strange. Due to enormous success of the game Submachine and thousands of players I had to remove all of my games from rewolucje.com, because Submachine was causing gigantic transfer, that would consume my yearly license in like three days. Right now Submachine is back online on a different mirror, and I’m looking for a new home for other games.


and...
SURPRISE!!!


Attachments:
3.rar [233.55 KiB]
Downloaded 78 times
Vortex! where is BEAST story! 2.rar [226.63 KiB]
Downloaded 83 times
File comment: Vortex! Where's the story???
Vortex! where is BEAST story!.rar [206.65 KiB]
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oh subgod... new problems here...

Ok, I just copy Matt's commentaries from all pages and post them there.

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Sublevel 102 wrote:
OnyxIonVortex wrote:
Going back to 2005, my conclusion would be that there seems to be no real purpose to the game. What's the point of enclosing me inside those rooms and then setting puzzles to let me out so easily, why would anyone do that? It seems to be just random.

So... The conclusion is...

We just had escape from strange place, wandering through 9 rooms, solving puzzles to get out. And we exit to the freedom.

no plot. no sense.
And diary is for teasing without further explanation and without further story.

But... What does Submachine means?..


do you like it? :)

I like it!

Quote:
Vortex! where is BEAST story!

nice try :mrgreen:

murtaugh wrote:
Fortunately, I figured how to disable the tab key cheat.

omg, I remember about that cheat! In many games there appeared a yellow square over clickable things when you pressed the tab key. I used to use that a lot when I was stuck XD (but in my defense, a lot of games back then featured pixel hunting, sooo...)

murtaugh wrote:
the ending is corny,
but
I was feeling romantic then.
:D

m

lol


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you used that yellow areas clues?..
MS wrote:
where's my chainsaw?

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Simon:
It's a slow load, or is that just me?

Comment 9, Monday, September 26th 2005 08:42:00 PM

Tia:
Nah its slow for me too (but then again that could be just me...again!), the graphics look good though, might have to leave it for now...

Comment 11, Monday, September 26th 2005 08:45:00 PM

Lance:
It's just slow

Comment 12, Monday, September 26th 2005 09:00:00 PM

ABC:
It takes FOREVER to load!!! :(

Comment 14, Monday, September 26th 2005 09:01:00 PM

Murtaugh:
well, this is strange, because that game loads quite normally for me. :/

maybe that's because you guys are on a different continent.
and btw - as I heard, the game is quite easy, so I'm working on the sequel which will be more difficult, let us hope.

til then - have fun with this one. If it loads at all. :(

mur
(can you try loading different games from that site and see if the "loading problem" concerns only submachine, or all of the games?

Comment 19, Monday, September 26th 2005 09:28:00 PM

Quote:
Dixon:
How'd you get the last piece??
What do you do with the spoon?
Help Please!!

Comment 23, Monday, September 26th 2005 09:42:00 PM

Zion:
The spoon is made of metal and conducts electricity, short anything out lately?

Comment 24, Monday, September 26th 2005 09:43:00 PM

Murtaugh:
remember - there is no spoon.

ehm, that was not a tip or a hint, just trying to be funny.

thanks for the feedback, that will probabbly result in finishing the sequel earlier. :D


Comment 25, Monday, September 26th 2005 09:43:00 PM

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I am mary! flee!:
it won't load?!?!?!?!?!?!

Comment 26, Monday, September 26th 2005 10:21:00 PM

Simon:
i tried to load submachine using opera and Ie, and neither has worked yet- but I got other games to load using opera, so I dunno.

Comment 27, Monday, September 26th 2005 10:26:00 PM

Murtaugh:
keep tryin

maybe that's a part of the game.

[...]


well, its not..... :(


m

Comment 29, Monday, September 26th 2005 10:28:00 PM

Murtaugh:
http://www.rewolucje.com/games/submachine.swf

rigth click and save as...... ?


Comment 31, Monday, September 26th 2005 10:29:00 PM


Quote:
Tia:
Murtaugh, without trying to give you a big head, I'm gonna have to say this game was excellent. It wasnt too ridiculously easy nor ridiculously difficult and I really love the graphics - nice and simple and easy to see and play. Like someone said above, the places you had to click on were not minute and the best thing of all was that...it was in english!lol. I liked ending up in the rain forest too.

For your sequel please keep the graphics the same, the music helped too...(quite tranquil more than scary...ok maybe Im weird). Anyway, if you want to make the game a little harder the cursor should remain as an arrow and not turn into a hand on the things you can click on. I dont know much about the making of a point and click game, I just know you point, click, and occassionally drag...so if my suggestion is silly, sorry!

P.S. Thanks for sending me the link Graeme.

Comment 44, Monday, September 26th 2005 11:46:00 PM

Succession:
nice game - fairly simple - but i didn't understand the bit about her karmic arm - the diary entry just suddenly cut off and i was expecting to find more entries along the way.

Comment 50, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 01:37:00 AM

SouthernPride:
Kia Ora from New Zealand. Have been a visitor for a few months now, but haven't commented until today! LOVED the game Murtagh.... fun, not too difficult - but enough little 'puzzles' to keep my brain working. Looking forward to the next instalment!

Comment 51, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 01:58:00 AM

Gene:
murtaugh,

I tried to use the e-mail form on your site, but it wasn’t working. So, I’ll just post here like Graeme suggested.

I'll admit, it wasn't as hard as Graeme made it out to be, but it was very, very fun. The puzzles were well thought out and placed. It gave me a sense of accomplishment completing each one; unlike other games when the puzzle is figured out I’m left wanting. The art, although simple, was pleasing to the eye and the transitions and sounds were very well done. Kudos to you.

Do you have plans to expand the game, or to make a second one? I have an idea to expand it, and if you don’t want to hear it just skip this next paragraph; I won’t be offended and I hope you don't take offense to it.

When the elevator is being used to get to the end it breaks, and falls back down the shaft. It hits hard and causes things to break in the rooms already explored; access to some rooms is cut off via fallen rubble, a couple more pathways open that take the explorer through the walls. The explorer ends up having to find a submersible to escape, instead of using the elevator.

Once again, great work. It’s been a while since I’ve played a new (to me) quality point’n’click game like yours.

-Gene
gene@yatta.info

Comment 55, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 05:01:00 AM

Murtaugh:
well dont worry, the >NZ subject< is fun to read, for anyone asking is it nice over there - just go and see lord of the rings trilogy. :D

ok.

more answers:

>>Comment By Tia
and the best thing of all was that...it was in english!<<

well, the game was created exlusively and specially for you guys and the lazyLaces, so what did you expect it to be ..... in polish? ;)

>>Comment By Tia
For your sequel please keep the graphics the same, the music helped too...(quite tranquil more than scary...ok maybe Im weird). Anyway, if you want to make the game a little harder the cursor should remain as an arrow and not turn into a hand on the things you can click on. I dont know much about the making of a point and click game, I just know you point, click, and occassionally drag...so if my suggestion is silly, sorry! <<

The music - yes, Im already searching for more eerie music for part two. As for the mouse.hand.enabled = false......
well, I'm always a little bit annoyed, when there's a hand disabled in the point and click games. Hand shows you hot pots that you have to find, without it I'm just feeling blind. The second game will be harder, but not this way though. Fortunately, I figured how to disable the tab key cheat.

>>Comment By Succession
nice game - fairly simple - but i didn't understand the bit about her karmic arm - the diary entry just suddenly cut off and i was expecting to find more entries along the way.<<

maybe, just maybe the second page will be featured in the sequel. Honestly that diary page was only ment to distract players. :P

>>Comment By SouthernPride
Kia Ora from New Zealand. Have been a visitor for a few months now, but haven't commented until today! LOVED the game Murtagh.... fun, not too difficult - but enough little 'puzzles' to keep my brain working. Looking forward to the next instalment!<<

thanks so much. People from New Zealand making their first appeareances on LazyLaces - thats big. :D

>>Comment By Gene
When the elevator is being used to get to the end it breaks, and falls back down the shaft. It hits hard and causes things to break in the rooms already explored; access to some rooms is cut off via fallen rubble, a couple more pathways open that take the explorer through the walls. The explorer ends up having to find a submersible to escape, instead of using the elevator. <<

that's a good ideal, but rather exploited, dont you think. For example HalfLife 1. ;)

ah well, that's it for now, back to work. (dayjob, not making point and click games for you guys :/ )






Comment 59, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 08:38:00 AM

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Oxyacetylene:
good show m8! would of liked a tad longer and better ending though but still was the wasps nipples! lol

Comment 60, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 08:41:00 AM

Murtaugh:
yeah, I got that from one person.
the ending is corny,
but
I was feeling romantic then.
:D

m


Comment 61, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 09:06:00 AM

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Don:
Good game! Had trouble loading last night but it loaded fine this morning. Kat if you are like me the final part has to do with the water leak and the controls. Figure that out and you get the last piece that opens the grandfather clock.

Comment 66, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 12:11:00 PM

Kat:
oooooh i guessed something like that and was already wondering what to do with the clock. thanx a lot Don!!
Really good game and nice graphics! Love the picture at the end :)

Comment 67, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 12:15:00 PM

Murtaugh:
grandfather clock? :D

did anyone figure out the combination of the switches in the valve room, or was it just coincidence that you got through this stage?
meaning - do you know where the combintion for that is hidden? ;>

m

Comment 68, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 12:21:00 PM

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Kyameel:
yey! I got through it! With only nudges! :)

Great game, murtaugh. My only comment: The game needs an intro ;)


Btw, am Kyameel. I've been a long-time lurker, and this is my first post. And I live halfway around the world. (Philippines)

Comment 69, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 12:25:00 PM

Murtaugh:
>>Comment By Kyameel
The game needs an intro<<

you mean like:
"i woke up in a room
dont remember nothing
must get out..." ??



Comment 70, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 12:33:00 PM


viewtopic.php?f=9&t=77#p704

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Kelly:
Murtaugh (OR ANYONE) How do you learn how to create games like this, I WOULD LOVE to learn, is there a book, some sofware besides flash..ANYONE?? I have way too much spare time and that would fill it nicely and keep all you point and clickers pointing and clicking :)

Comment 84, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 03:34:00 PM

Silly:
Could anyone help?


I have three bits of tile and have used everything except a pearl and the grandfather clock


Can anyone give me handy hint?

Comment 124, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 09:17:00 PM

Think~Pink:
I'd love to help, but I did it with pure luck. I clicked on the valves randomly and then it worked.
I think I had the 1st valve on the left in the up position and the other two in the down position, but I'm not sure if anything I did before then had any effect

Comment 141, Tuesday, September 27th 2005 11:29:00 PM

Tia:
Wow Karlee you're a bit of a regular arnt you?

Murtaugh, not only have you created a great game and encouraged some people to try to make their own point 'n' click, but you have also gotten people to post here for the first time! Now isnt that an achievement!...plus Think~Pink hadn't played this one before (and she has played almost ALL the point n clicks), so she musta been happy to see this one;)

By the way, those people who criticised the ending should reconsider what a point n click is all about. The ending was great, doesnt need to be completely fascinating, the sense of achievement from escaping should be enough.

Are you looking for suggestions for the concept of the sequel?...just wondering.

Comment 160, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 01:16:00 AM

Dross:
will not load. even from site. :(

Comment 167, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 07:38:00 AM

Murtaugh:
ok.
when you see me away, like not posting for several hours, that means I'm sleeping, since I'm on the other side of the world. :D
but nevertheless, wouldn't be much of a lazylacer, if I didn't read all the comments in my own LL topic, now would I.

So, let the answering begin. :D

General answers to all of you:

thank you once again for your feedback, I did expect you to like it (well, I'm a creator of the game, I want people to like it by default), but never thought that you would like it that much. Thanks again, as I said it will fasten the creation of the second part. Concerning that - I changed the way of moving between rooms, now it looks more like a normal pnc game, however got some very cool ambient music for the background. But since you liked the first game so much I'm wondering if I shouldn't make a sequel identically as the first part, just with different puzzles of course. But - I've done such game already and now I want to do something slightly different. Hope you guys won't be disappointed (as in disappoint'n'click games rotfl). Oh well, enough of self exposing. However, the game is on the way.
As for the level of difficulty. Well, that's a tricky subject, some of you say that it was easy, others are stuck, but what hits me most is the good mood of people that finished it by themselves. I think that's best thing that I could achieve with this game, to put people into good mood and give them a feel of achievement. So i guess I'll keep the difficulty at the same level. ;)

>>Comment By Kelly
How do you learn how to create games like this, I WOULD LOVE to learn, is there a book, some sofware besides flash.<<

well, without flash you can do nothing. So I pressume you have it. Honestly speaking, you don't need much of action script knowledge to make a pnc game. It's the level of understanding comments like play, stop, gotoAndPlay. simple stuff really. You can learn much from the internet, google the subjects of flash tutorials, google will come up with great number of outcome. Check http://www.flashkit.com for example, there are lots of open source files. For games also. And answering your question - how do you learn to make such games - well, as you learn to do anything on a comp - you sit by the computer, stare at it, and try to figure out things by yourself. Its like a pnc game really. :D you click here, there, and something is solved. If you cannot learn that by yourself, online tutorials will be very helpful. I learnt it that way.

>>Comment By Dross
will not load. even from site.<<
email me (it's easy to find my email, if you're genuine point'n'clicker :D). Then I will send you the game.

>>Comment By Tia
Murtaugh, not only have you created a great game and encouraged some people to try to make their own point 'n' click, but you have also gotten people to post here for the first time! Now isnt that an achievement!...<<

well, it is. I'm blushing right now. I thought you guys would just say something like: nice, but horribly simple. Fix this. :D

>>Comment By Tia
plus Think~Pink hadn't played this one before (and she has played almost ALL the point n clicks), so she musta been happy to see this one;)<<

well, she hadn't because that was a LL exclusive. :D

>>Comment By Tia
Are you looking for suggestions for the concept of the sequel?...just wondering.<<

not really. Im kinda used to making up my own stories, since I'm a comics author in the first play. That whole flash games thing is just side-hobby.

>>Comment By Silly
Could anyone help?

I have three bits of tile and have used everything except a pearl and the grandfather clock

Can anyone give me handy hint?<<

well, you made a great hint yourself, silly. not much to add. think of that. :D

>>Comment By Think~Pink
I'd love to help, but I did it with pure luck. I clicked on the valves randomly and then it worked.<<

that's why I asked the question before. does anyone know the combination of pumps in the valve room? I assure you, it is somewhere hidden in the game, as I remember doing it. ;D







Comment 169, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 08:38:00 AM


Quote:
Gene:
One, Two, Four!

I just have to say, nothing at all seems random about your game. It is thought out very well.

Comment 171, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 08:59:00 AM

Murtaugh:
>>Comment By Gene
I just have to say, nothing at all seems random about your game. It is thought out very well.<<

funny. that's what people say about my comic books. :D


Comment 173, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 10:08:00 AM


Quote:
Think~Pink:

>>Murtaugh,
I did find the combination for the valves and think I have figured out how to get the combination without randmomly clicking:

At the bottom of the panel with the 4 fuses, there are 3 discs which match the discs below the valves in the other room. I figured that these were the key as to which valve should be put in which position, so just match the discs in the valve room to the ones in the fuse room ...and voila

Comment 176, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 10:38:00 AM

Rena:
>>Comment By Murtaugh: "that's why I asked the question before. does anyone know the combination of pumps in the valve room? I assure you, it is somewhere hidden in the game, as I remember doing it. ;D"

I found the combination when playing the game - it's beneath the fuse box!



Comment 177, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 10:43:00 AM

Murtaugh:
yeah
cool
both of you did it.
just checking if that was something too difficult, or poorly placed in the gameplay.
but as I see it is findable - if there's such a word. :D
m

Comment 178, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 10:49:00 AM


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Tia:
I'm glad to hear you are not looking for suggestions Murtaugh, that way it makes your idea, and your idea alone!Plus everyone will know what the concept is if it was posted on here. I trust your next one will be just as great, if not better!

No pressure lol

Everyone who is having trouble downloading should email graeme and he will send you one that works...his email can be found near the bottom of this page neXt to where it says '2005 lazylaces'...so stop complaining and get playing!

Comment 184, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 01:08:00 PM

Murtaugh:
>>Comment By Tia
I'm glad to hear you are not looking for suggestions Murtaugh, that way it makes your idea, and your idea alone!Plus everyone will know what the concept is if it was posted on here. I trust your next one will be just as great, if not better!

No pressure lol <<

yeah, right. no pressure. I already have symptoms of "second album crisis" :D, while not wanting to become one-hit-band :D
m

Comment 187, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 01:50:00 PM

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Murtaugh:
ehy.
I just remembered. :D
long time ago I made a pnc christmas card.
it's not hard at all, it's supposed to be so simple that you can walk through it without stopping for a sec, but thought you might wanna see this.
enjoy. :D
http://www.rewolucje.com/cards/new_year.swf

m


Comment 191, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 02:25:00 PM

Quote:
Buji:
Good MOTAS type bit of point and clickery. When are you gonna make us another?

Comment 193, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 02:48:00 PM

Murtaugh:
incredibly soon

:D


Comment 194, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 02:54:00 PM


Quote:
Murtaugh:
wow

you - guys - are - spoiling - me......

it's late in the evening here, just finished watching the champions league match, my bed calls me badly, but I gotta say something.

Today, when I was going home from work I had an IDEA on the bus. It was so intense, that I had to put away my book, as I always read on the busses. I didn't understand what I was reading, only thinking about thet IDEA.

Yes.

You guessed it. it was idea for the plot of the second game. It just blowed my mind entirely. Now I know what I want to do and I can assure you - you havent seen nothing yet.
Probably will take me a month or so to finish it, so arm yourself with patience, and wait for it.

The funny thing was - I got home, told the IDEA to my fiance, and she said she didn't understand much, but will surely see what I meant when I finish the game. Oh yeah, you will see, my dear. So will all of you. :D

mur (the owner of the IDEA)

Comment 226, Wednesday, September 28th 2005 10:18:00 PM


Gene:
I am looking forward to The IDEA. Woo!

-Gene
Murtaugh's #1 Fan

(hehe)

Comment 236, Thursday, September 29th 2005 03:45:00 AM


Quote:
Sarah Bailey:
great game managed it in 10 mins love pnc games keep up the good work, id like to leave a hint for anyone still struggling...

bells go 1 2 3 4 3 i think and valve is down up up

Comment 276, Friday, September 30th 2005 04:38:00 PM

Murtaugh:
>>Comment By Sarah Bailey

bells go 1 2 3 4 3 i think and valve is down up up<<

well, in fact you can easily notice that the bells have only two positions. so if you click on the third bell twice it idnicates that you could leave it alone. so the combination is: 1, 2, 4 in any order, :D

Comment 281, Friday, September 30th 2005 05:57:00 PM



taken from Lazylaces.com

Submachine
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disappoint'n'click games

hah :D

Quote:
long time ago I made a pnc christmas card.
it's not hard at all, it's supposed to be so simple that you can walk through it without stopping for a sec, but thought you might wanna see this.
enjoy. :D
http://www.rewolucje.com/cards/new_year.swf

cool, it could have been a prequel to Where Is? series.

Quote:
wow

you - guys - are - spoiling - me......

it's late in the evening here, just finished watching the champions league match, my bed calls me badly, but I gotta say something.

Today, when I was going home from work I had an IDEA on the bus. It was so intense, that I had to put away my book, as I always read on the busses. I didn't understand what I was reading, only thinking about thet IDEA.

Yes.

You guessed it. it was idea for the plot of the second game. It just blowed my mind entirely. Now I know what I want to do and I can assure you - you havent seen nothing yet.
Probably will take me a month or so to finish it, so arm yourself with patience, and wait for it.

The funny thing was - I got home, told the IDEA to my fiance, and she said she didn't understand much, but will surely see what I meant when I finish the game. Oh yeah, you will see, my dear. So will all of you. :D

mur (the owner of the IDEA)

did he ever say what the IDEA was?

EDIT: Mateusz never changes https://www.facebook.com/mateuszskutnik ... 5429837783 :P


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obey to IDEA
:D

OnyxIonVortex wrote:
did he ever say what the IDEA was?

of course he did...

CORE
LIGHTHOUSE
KARMA PORTALS
OUTER RIM
SEVEN LAYERS OF REALITY
POWER OF LIGHT
EINSTEIN THE CAT
ELIZABETH IN MANGA STYLE
POPCORN MACHINE
BLOOD DOOR
DARK PLACES OF SUBNET
BONES AND BLOOD UNDER OUR BOOTS
SUBMERGED MACHINE

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no, i mean confirm that those things were the idea.


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Wait... if submachine stands for submerged machine... Submerged in WHAT?!

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it sems to have been built underground, but actualy appears to be floating in the void.

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